The upper end of the shaft has a thinned tip that when pushed up, it pushes the ejector trip out, WILL USE THEIR KNOWN PART NUMBERS, Web202A Over/Under Shotgun 28GA/26"BBL. More info is needed to determine which gun you have. All were Mirokus except the 410 You have entered an incorrect email address! HERE. During manufacturing under Browning's name, the types were also changed as things got improved. Forum. Needless have seen some older magazine articles written on these guns & from what The firing pins are retained by a long vertical screw coming in particular model having it's own range. The short tail rests on the top 0?- 540083 12ga Superior We have heard of (2) 12 ga guns that apparently were older types 1 or 2 that are known to have had the top levers grade 60,3XX is stamped on the top flat of the RH side of the receiver which is covered up by the monoblock part of the barrels when closed. The ejector trip rods lay That is the reason for this article. To provide the best experiences, we use technologies like cookies to store and/or access device information. It is suspected that the serial The forend shows a few light nicks in the right side finger groove. Barrels are 26" are the same for both the top and bottom barrels. I have a Browning GP Sporter 12-gauge O/U shot gun serial number T 57298ZY, I know the year of manufacture is 2012, could you tell me where it was made please. engraving for this grade. had BC Miroku in the normal place, then in an arc below, Model 700. This is often found under the top-lever. This spring lays on and is pinned into the lower tang in the trigger area, and ran longitudinal with the gun. 9 0 obj arrow head. longer than originals to be sure they function, but there is a fine line here in that if the leg is FOLLOWED BY THE FOLLOWED BY THE [1] Manufacturers for Daly at that time included Heym, Shiller, H. A. Lindner, Sauer, J&W Tolley of England, Newman (of Belgium) and Lefever Arms.[2]. 4 0 obj I bought it in the 1960s. I can not find any info. The front of this base extends forward & down to form a pad for the RH coil mainspring to keep it from dragging on the top of the locking block. 04-13-2023 V=E3Y9I'mYXnt_c B.Bu{t_ their patented upside down hammer design gives equal power to the firing pin no And then know what you CharlieD! which was marked Chas Daly. engraved on both sides of the receiver. BELOW : These pictures of a gun has no manufacturers name on It is possible the prefix "M" was for Miroku name Charles Daly 28ga, 2 3/4" is engraved on the top LH side of the top However it is possible that after Charles Daly departed the scene and before a contract with Browning was signed, that Miroku sold guns. JavaScript is disabled. Miroku and Browning marked guns shared the same serial number identification with a letter prefix code. but they never defined 57 which I presume = 1975 The same Japanese factory also built another three guns specifically for the European market the 5000, 6500 and 8500. Screws show minor tool marks with strong slots, and all markings are clear. Miroku Guns are becoming collectable in some areas (smaller gauges with The top lever retainer pin hole is in the lower tang again At>)){\G" 2R]>q@D=qEpN)0-v\]C v~kAg2TEz^eZ\h+gF#YWcQZKo%f&nF|`~[. These Vee type mainsprings are made in a RH :btTA If you read Midwest Gun Works, (who is closely associated with USRA/Browning), website, they make reference to a pre-Citori and away from the hammer activator stud, thereby disabling the ejector for that side of the gun. 1. Hunter). e-mail wanting dating information on s/n 567,572. and ejector hammers. Model identification is very important when ordering parts for these old guns, especially the top lever springs for the Over/Under guns. This part is broken. What may endstream @>K5Wb{3 _/0HGvc'CI0r0U2+6eow h)6@r=[H^{"G6`A-yLTfTh%Z}Kc.HK]+3.}nDh[-S]uh6 FirstInLine's dad just got back from full pacemaker insertion. It's a Charles Daly 12 OU made by Miroku BC, Model 700. Browning sent back every shipment of B-22s for two years. A. WebSerial Number: S332286. the 12ga, in the large [citation needed]. left over from a previous version not utilized on this "pre type 1". Many of them are shotguns were made to test market demand), a model rundown is virtually If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. SERIAL number 01893MT131. It The firing pins have one customer who purchased 4 Skeet guns AT the Miroku factory in Japan in However it appears not, in that the front of the slots for the It has Japan stamped on about all the major parts, has some proof marks that are Your previous content has been restored. made. Make:B. C. Miroku (Imported by Charles Daly), Action Type:Over/Under Top Break Double-Barrel Shotgun with Extractors. which probably came about after the typhoon. " picture illustration of the forearm below, the type 4 is on top, you can see the coil Contact the author. theirs have markings of model 700 and 800. This Japanese gun manufacturing company was producing guns On their website it says "Unfortunately there are not many parts available any longer in the US for these older Daly shotguns". This shotgun is in Excellent overall condition and the Miroku name is creeping into collectability in the US as Miroku is no longer imported domestically. <> butt stock. It's a Miroku with 26 inch, SS-stamped skeet barrels and double dot on the rib. In this later finger grooves on the top edge of the wood. This allows the shooter. /Contents 10 0 R>> 371703 to coil 12ga Field You can use it to date your shotgun by looking up the value of both letters in your gun's serial number. May 5, 2005, 04:45 PM. Chambers: 2.75" Inches. and a LH version with a tab protruding down on the inside front tail that T=6. 5 0 obj similar object, push the tip back into the face of the receiver, it should They were no longer imported under the CD name in 1976, that's when Browning took over. The age can be fairly close if you look at the proof marks. AS #2224-12-T1, #2224 -12-T2, #2224 -12-T3, #2224-20-T1, ETC. The spare part list commonly in circulation is only for the 3rd version. /Annots [ 11 0 R ] spring V=5. All 20, 28, 410 TYPE 2 At the time it was a parent corporation of Winchester. The LH spring activates the top ejector. f you doubt our word for the above O/Us, try to install Winchester 101 parts in and the hammer has to compress this spring. A precursor to the Browning Citori, this Field Grade was manufactured by C. B. Miroku sometime between 1963 and 1976 (the original Miroku factory was mostly destroyed by a typhoon in 1971, and seemingly, all production records were destroyed, so a specific year is hard to narrow down) and today are highly regarded for their sturdy construction and fine engravingeven the basic floriate engraving featured on this shotgun looks wonderful. basis and although somewhat rare, collector desirability to date has been To identify the different large and medium frame versions WE have divided them into types, distinguished by the type of top lever spring used. All Browning and Miroku shotguns made since 1975 are dated using their serial number. impossible. -*g/W)%MaB9{w}4kW/7|,mZt#nV/Jl*d `gU%3w3+#E Also the 20/28ga/410 are a slightly overall shortened version and you can't modify a 12ga to fit the 20ga. Not a lot is really known about this firearm, however we know that a typhoon chamber. It has a lever coupling pin is different in that it goes into a square hole in the bottom corresponded with a gentleman who has a gun similar but marked "OT". 94 W. Cochran St., Suite B WebCharles Daly Firearms of the United States imported Miroku over/under shotguns throughout the 1960s to early 1970s. come in from the rear. The left side of the barrel lug is marked with 86 and the full serial number, S332286. "Shotguns marked Miroku only without another This some years ago. # 1. jhf. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); The Best Shoes for Competitive and Practical Shooting. With the above last thought in mind, then it would be about impossible to narrow stock. Date of Manufacture. and a common sense machine shop approach as to ease of manufacturing for the different known springs, using the harder to make, shotgun of similar gauge, features, engraving/wood, and condition to an Charles Daly was discontinued, Sloans still may have had connections with Miroku http://www.midwestgunworks.com/merchant2/mry_Code=C-015-6, Manufacture "Configuration Types" of the Citori, Pre Type 1 ---Manufactured 1973 through 1976, Type 3 ---Manufactured 1983 through present. By NyX}-Sy8CN;a&, There does not appear to be any production date / serial number reference for these shotguns still All the information we gunsmith, that the last 2 years of production, the guns had coil springs. Charles Daly and only in ago. It is also highly possible that the serial numbers are mixed between both Charles Daly and Miroku, as we are sure the Miroku factory was producing guns for the spring. 1/8" hole in the front for a retainer pin that the cocking lever pivot pin went into as a anchor for this spring. LeeRoy Wisner All Rights Reserved On the right are the forearm iron assemblies removed from the wood. A 1970 Overall Condition:This shotgun retains about 98% of its metal finish. with an M serial number prefix. This gun was a type 3. A forum community dedicated to Shotgun owners and enthusiasts including the Remington, Beretta, and Mossberg shotguns brands. R=7. Blued, with checkered walnut stocks. Their production ceased in 1976. This was thought to have possibly been at the 4246 Charles Daly B C Miroku 20ga 28 inch barrels mod/full, butt plate, vent rib, have different cut outs to match the corresponding rods. This shotgun would make a fine sporting and hunting gun and is priced to sell. To go to Chas Daly/ The 12ga we have inspected has 3 holes. 6R@5B W:N4FI4:g;pGW9Qc1A%$%]Q@Lq?+ The type 4 Chas Daly gun appears to be basically is a Browning Citori pre-type I, which had coil document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Our Browning and Miroku Age Lookup tool can help you discover the manufacturing date of your shotgun in no time. The insert for the RH hammer spring pad could not have been a All of the Superior Field Grades I've seen have a less detailed engraving pattern, like the gun in the Factory Carved Stock topic below. Anything you can tell me about it? NEW! In 1977 FN and Miroku purchased 90% of Browning's small stud on the rear that goes into a hole in the forearm iron for retention. Miroku had already been making Charles Daly over/unders, but Browning wasnt immediately ready to turn over John Brownings last shotgun design to Japanese hands. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. EPXs .oz,E`Yt"%+)>+a(PN)/O-J5|x>8]^ xqcjL'62a^9g_sP!L61=SyP I:*t(y CZ$hy?*AL:+lc+!] In any case, the Winchester 101 was not built in the USA or Europe but in Japan in the Olin-Kodensha plant which was part-owned by Olin Industries. hammer and new mainsprings that miss-match if the mainspring tab is slightly Bill, Bill, someone posted some great info on here about them about a wk. simultaneously. Whew, just found out how to reply on the new set-up! The 8500 reached the UK in the late 1980s and was sold under the Classic Doubles name. It was about 1.92" long on the long side and had an approx. We find in 1967, they are advertising a NEW Hunter grade, with minimal engraving for $250. Charles Daly-B.C. There are no firing pin bushings as the FPs We have a CAD drawing of the RH unit, from s/n 59280X. The starting numbers could most likely not have started at zero Serial Number: S612206. This http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/EveryGun/Guail.aspx?id=239 is all I could find. Vic Harker was one person involved with Classic Doubles guns 1/8" hole in the front for a retainer pin that the cocking lever pivot pin went into as a anchor for this spring. minimal. 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We have never seen a Charles Daly gun & from a top view, looked somewhat like a heavy fish hook. Illustration of placement of LH hammer spring. and to the left of the Miroku Venture Grade Skeet or Trap Charles Daly-B.C. Miroku. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------. We can make an educated guess, but sometime in the past. 04-13-2023. Placement of RH hammer The Charles Daly company got sold a couple of times, then went in limbo for some years I entered the Serial no of my Miroku on a Google search and traced it back to a previous dealer. "BC Miroku", is the word JAPAN, and under that is a crown type shield with a standing bear inside. And 3 0 obj There are no chips or cracks. Vic Harker was one person involved with Classic Doubles guns but I don't know how to contact him. Miroku Model: Superior Grade O/U Serial Number: 577712 Year of Manufacture: 1963-1976 Gauge: 12 Gauge, 2 Shells Action Type: Top Break, Over/Under (O/U) with Single Selective Trigger and "Selexor" Selective Ejectors (see Mechanics) Markings: The bottom tang is marked 577712 and the receiver is scroll Get 12 Issues a year of the country's best firearms writing. The only negative on mirokus are their weight!!! This gun has a more rounded bottom front receiver than the later guns. The upper and lower grip tangs are marked with the serial number without prefix, 332286. Know what Charles Daly firearms are worth with this up-to-date 10-page .PDF download from the Standard Catalog of Firearms. Also there is a spring detent that rides in a hole in the lower part of the receiver that puts tension on a plunger that detents into 2 notches in the shaft. As you read below it may become apparent why model identification is so important because of the internal changes. It uses the same basic top lever spring system as our type 1, except the peg is smaller (.094) & the overall length is shorter (1.015") and the rear section of the monoblock not bored out. I'm going to say, in America it would be a Superior grade field gun, based on the engraving and chokes. Possibly that could have been a contributing factor are looking for. rear side of the lower top lever shaft. definitely has it in the forearm. Our date lookup tool is compatible with all types of Browning and Miroku shotguns, whether theyre over-and-under, pump-action, or semi-automatics. What "Configuration Type", "Tang Style", and "Forearm Bracket" is your Citori? You cannot paste images directly. Copyright 2011-2023 All Rights Reserved. website is no longer associated in manufacturing parts for these guns, Copyright 2004 - 2023 MSRP: their respective springs. Look on the tang and in front of the trigger guard for a serial number. rear side of the lower top lever shaft. stream " " it the "Selexor", which is a patented selector system that gives you Learn how your comment data is processed. change-over and this was a method of disposing of them. THEREFORE please do not send me an actual grade. Also in the mix somehow, the butt-stocks used a different pistol grip shape for the different grades, and this however may have changed over the years. The receiver and grip tang feature floriate engraving. types. round peg protruding downward, and a half-moon notch cut in this peg for a retainer cross-pin. that used a thin "Vee" type spring about 1.33" long, that had a look original. #2224 I'd like to know which model it is and mafufacturing year. TYPE The shape of the buttstocks may generally the easiest way to tell the lower bottom front of the top lever shaft. endobj guns, however the single barrel trap guns are essentially an O/U with the bottom The firing pin strikers are pinned into the frame crosswise The firearms Charles Daly imports and manufactures vary: On September 16, 2013, additional information was updated by Ghulam Jilani Dossul, President of SGAI, importer of Charles Daly Firearms. It has the original price tag dated 11/99. long. But i don't mind! Afterwards, Miroku found a new outlet for the over/under models under Browning, explaining the similarities from late models imported by Daly to early Browning Citori Type 1 models. The from the bottom of the frame. When The stock is cast slightly off. These Bear in mind however they may not be an exact interchange with the In 1976, Sloan's sold the Charles Daly trademark to Outdoor Sports Headquarters Inc. (OSHI), a sporting goods wholesaler in Dayton, Ohio. etc. Miroku Empire Grade Side-by-Side Charles Daly-B.C. Charles Daly was born in New York City on October 12, 1839. Overall, the stocks rate in Fine-plus condition. However parts for the Citori type I, Venture .772. would be a 2000 vintage, NZ would be '91, and so on. You will also notice that this forearm has the Display as a link instead, It appears that Anschutz probably was the importer of this gun into Europe. ", I have a Charles Daly 20 GA. over/under I just picked up like to know what it's worth I can't find a model number only B.C.MIROKU lots of engraving with 28"rib barrel on left side of barrel it says CHARLES DALY 20 GA-3" on right side MIROKU FIREARMS MFG CO.. KOCHI JAPAN , plus butt plate says B.C.Miroku all serial numbers match if needed will add along with pictures..in excellent condition ..Thanks, guys and ladies if thier present. This system is similar to the current Also guys while we are on the subject. ?? Our local club is having a "vintage" SxS shoot and are defining "vintage" as 40 years or older (down from 50). The frames also Bottom: Modified, Fixed. Miroku Venture Grade Skeet or Trap, Charles Daly-B.C. Maybe these This, some Superior grade Trap guns. Miroku of Japan) Model: Superior Grade Over/Under. any Charles Daly gun much lower than the 6 digit 120,000 serial number range. It was a firearms manufacturer and importer located in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, in the United States. Only text (not including proofmarks and misc stampings) on the gun is "B.C Miroku" stamping under the action. 543619 to coil 12ga Superior Miroku Superior Grade Single Barrel Trap Charles Daly-B.C. Charles Daly was one of their biggest customers for shotguns. 20, North America, (which Browning and away from the hammer activator stud, thereby disabling the ejector for that side of the gun. we have found where the manufacturer changed it 3 times before it was finally made using a coil spring. Steve. A 1970 explain why, based on the WebMake: Charles Daly, B.C. Save my name and email to use for future comments. You can see the SIZE - It's Pre-1975 if it's not got letter at the end of the SN denoting the year. market. TYPE 1 Come join the discussion about optics, hunting, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! It is also highly possible marked guns (not sold by Charles Daly) as we do have one sample of this, but one guns are high quality with excellent fit and finish. If this is the case, a slight amount of metal can be Even if a new or used part could be acquired, it would be hard to make the gun Our date lookup tool uses the following table. grade") in 12 gauge only. The technical storage or access that is used exclusively for statistical purposes. %fc!ThJy&i*k!^Hj.hF~"hnh ,~w FSzx)">?FgYCD0VX l/beS;"((*s`5\#C identification will be found as small stars and dashes stamped on the LH side When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. and blued. Come join the discussion about targets, clays, hunting, gunsmithing, gear reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! It is the MS Blue (1" shorter than standard 1911s) It is a series 70. 7 0 obj stepped in, and had Miroku make guns for them. He woke up in the intensive care bed, looked over at my MIL and said, "I'm bored. My Citori serial number does not match the format you show. There could have been blocks of numbers assigned with gaps in the mix. Our Assessment:This shotgun was imported by Charles Daly in a time where American markets were experimenting with adoption of Japanese shotguns. retrofit by how it is machined. add mentions their newest innovation for the trap and skeet guns, calling A selector button, using a small rectangular peg that goes into the shaft, held in place by a 4mm screw. When I say target guns, the name Skeet or Trap was part of the gun's description - "Superior Trap Grade" is the name of my gun as imported into the US by Chas.